Waste of bandwidth

[Mark McDougall]

Wow. I've come across some spam-ridden crappy newsgroups in my time but this
stinking pile of excrement is by far the worst. What a disappointment. Not
worth wading through the chest-deep effluent for the one or two relevant
postings on photography by Aussies.

Hello and good bye.

[Noons]

Post by Mark McDougall
Wow. I've come across some spam-ridden crappy newsgroups in my time but this
stinking pile of excrement is by far the worst. What a disappointment. Not
worth wading through the chest-deep effluent for the one or two relevant
postings on photography by Aussies.
Hello and good bye.
--
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"

good. Now, piss off, troll.

[Mark McDougall]

Post by Noons
good. Now, piss off, troll.

Sigh. Now I'm a troll for lamenting the fact that this NG is overrun by
irrelevant drivel that has nothing to do with photography? NFI.

[Atheist Chaplain]

Post by Mark McDougall

Post by Noons
good. Now, piss off, troll.

Sigh. Now I'm a troll for lamenting the fact that this NG is overrun by
irrelevant drivel that has nothing to do with photography? NFI.
--
| Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it
| <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug> | with less resistance!"

might I suggest getting your filters sorted, get rid of Google groups and
Gmail and 90% of all that spam just disappears :-)

[Mark McDougall]

Post by Atheist Chaplain
might I suggest getting your filters sorted, get rid of Google groups
and Gmail and 90% of all that spam just disappears :-)

Using firefox and ISP newsgroup server. I don't have this problem with any
of the other 19 newsgroups I'm currently subscribed to.

Regards,

[Mark McDougall]

Post by Mark McDougall
Using firefox

Oops, that was supposed to be Thunderbird...

Regards,

[Atheist Chaplain]

Post by Mark McDougall

Post by Mark McDougall
Using firefox

Oops, that was supposed to be Thunderbird...
Regards,
--
| Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it
| <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug> | with less resistance!"

My deepest sympathies ;-)
TB has woeful filter options, even worse than OE and Windows Mail (the one I
use)

[Noons]

Post by Atheist Chaplain
My deepest sympathies ;-)
TB has woeful filter options, even worse than OE and Windows Mail (the one I
use)

Have you managed to filter out gmail? Darn, that will filter out all
posts by your boy hero...

[Noons]

Post by Mark McDougall

Post by Noons
good. Now, piss off, troll.

Sigh. Now I'm a troll for lamenting the fact that this NG is overrun by
irrelevant drivel that has nothing to do with photography? NFI.

Yes you are. You have not posted ANYTHING in ages, neither has ANYONE else. Yet
you claim this place is full of spam? Note: that was your initial claim, now you
changed to "irrelevant drivel". What does that make your two posts so far? On
topic?
If you can't fathom that you're totally out of line, you are either thick as a
brick or a troll. Which you prefer?

[Mark McDougall]

Post by Noons
Yes you are. You have not posted ANYTHING in ages, neither has ANYONE
else. Yet you claim this place is full of spam? Note: that was your
initial claim, now you changed to "irrelevant drivel". What does that
make your two posts so far? On topic?
If you can't fathom that you're totally out of line, you are either
thick as a brick or a troll. Which you prefer?

OK, I'll bite - only because (a) I'm bored and your reaction bemuses me and
(b) this NG appears so completely dead that this trickle of posts is likely
to go unnoticed anyway...

I haven't posted "ANYTHING in ages", Einstein, because I subscribed to this
NG only YESTERDAY, so great detective work there! And of the 500-odd headers
that were downloaded when I subscribed, only a relatively small proportion
had anything to do with photography. And even some of those "relevant" posts
consisted of flame wars between subscribers (and given your reaction, I now
understand why!)

I also find it somewhat bemusing that you take me to task on the distinction
between "spam" and "irrelevant drivel". I guess I'm as "thick as a brick"
because I can't decide whether posts claiming that the Jews are driving the
pornography industry would be classified as (political/religious/racial)
"spam" or "irrelevant drivel". Perhaps you, being obviously more intelligent
than I, would be so kind as you enlighten me? On second thoughts, don't
bother, because I simply don't give a fuck.

I came to this NG with the hope of finding a helpful, active community of
Australian photographers. Obviously I was bitterly disappointed. Was my
posting "On topic" or "out of line"? Either is debatable, but I'm not going
to bore anyone else even further by going in it. You could perhaps argue
that it added nothing to the NG, and that's a fair comment. But my posting
was aimed squarely at the noise that had dominated the postings and in no
way passed any judgement on the relevant content of the NG.

Which again has me bemused at your reaction.

A final note. I'm a complete photography novice and haven't been involved in
the photography "scene" for very long, but I'm beginning to form a picture
of the "stereotypical" photography enthusiast, based on
comments/observations of *others* as discussed in numerous forums and
photogaphy clubs, as well as my own observations of the same. I'm not going
to elaborate further, other than to say that you would appear to me to fit
that stereotype extremely well. Read into that what you may.

Regards,

[Noons]

Post by Mark McDougall
OK, I'll bite - only because (a) I'm bored and your reaction bemuses me and

If you're bored, go checvk what Paris Hilton just twittered. Or
Brittney. Stop trolling.

Post by Mark McDougall
(b) this NG appears so completely dead that this trickle of posts is likely
to go unnoticed anyway...

I fit appears so dead - and it is - how the fuck have you concluded it
is spam riddled and full of off-topic?

Post by Mark McDougall
I haven't posted "ANYTHING in ages", Einstein, because I subscribed to this
NG only YESTERDAY, so great detective work there!

But you concluded it was full of whatever, eh?

Post by Mark McDougall
And of the 500-odd headers
that were downloaded when I subscribed, only a relatively small proportion
had anything to do with photography.

And most of them are from months ago, twerp!

Post by Mark McDougall
And even some of those "relevant" posts
consisted of flame wars between subscribers (and given your reaction, I now
understand why!)

Fuck off, troll!

Post by Mark McDougall
I also find it somewhat bemusing that you take me to task on the distinction
between "spam" and "irrelevant drivel". I guess I'm as "thick as a brick"

Fucking hell: a smidgeon of rational thought! Yes, you are!

Post by Mark McDougall
because I can't decide whether posts claiming that the Jews are driving the
pornography industry would be classified as (political/religious/racial)
"spam" or "irrelevant drivel".

That's funny: those posts are the vast minority here and yet you
decide thet are filling up this place?

Post by Mark McDougall
Perhaps you, being obviously more intelligent
than I, would be so kind as you enlighten me?

I just did, you stupid fuck.

Post by Mark McDougall
On second thoughts, don't
bother, because I simply don't give a fuck.

Good. Then fuck OFF and stay OFF!

Post by Mark McDougall
I came to this NG with the hope of finding a helpful, active community of
Australian photographers.

There is no such thing, moron!

Post by Mark McDougall
Obviously I was bitterly disappointed. Was my
posting "On topic" or "out of line"? Either is debatable, but I'm not going
to bore anyone else even further by going in it.

Good. Piss off then!

Post by Mark McDougall
You could perhaps argue
that it added nothing to the NG, and that's a fair comment. But my posting
was aimed squarely at the noise that had dominated the postings and in no
way passed any judgement on the relevant content of the NG.

Sure.... Pull the centre leg now...

Post by Mark McDougall
Which again has me bemused at your reaction.

I'm fed up with fuckwits like you who drop in with bombastic remarks
and add nothing to the topic of the newsgroup.

Post by Mark McDougall
A final note. I'm a complete photography novice and haven't been involved in
the photography "scene" for very long, but I'm beginning to form a picture
of the "stereotypical" photography enthusiast, based on
comments/observations of *others* as discussed in numerous forums and
photogaphy clubs, as well as my own observations of the same.

Really? And you figured that out all by yourself or needed help from
the first corner store yobbo?

Post by Mark McDougall
I'm not going
to elaborate further, other than to say that you would appear to me to fit
that stereotype extremely well.

Fantastic. Excellent. Now, FUCK OFF!

[Mark McDougall]

Post by Noons
Stop trolling.
twerp!
Fuck off, troll!
Fucking hell: a smidgeon of rational thought! Yes, you are!
I just did, you stupid fuck.
Good. Then fuck OFF and stay OFF!
There is no such thing, moron!
Good. Piss off then!
Sure.... Pull the centre leg now...
I'm fed up with fuckwits like you who drop in with bombastic remarks
and add nothing to the topic of the newsgroup.
Really? And you figured that out all by yourself or needed help from
the first corner store yobbo?
Fantastic. Excellent. Now, FUCK OFF!

LOL! And what a valuable contribution *YOU* make to this NG!

Quite amusing that I appear to rile you so much. Actually gives me a little
pleasure, I must admit (oops, that makes me troll I suppose). I can just
picture you sitting at your computer, spittle flying out of your mouth as
you bang the keys in a rage as you respond to my posts. Of course, you'll
deny that you even *care* what I write...

Regardless, you may be somewhat disappointed to learn that my decision
whether or not I choose to remain subscribed to this NG has absolutely
nothing to do with your tirades. Rather, it has more to do with the
appearance (or lack thereof) of any posts in the ensuing days/weeks that are
even remotely relevant to photography.

Now, why don't you do everyone a favour - drop this boring thread, and think
about posting something about photography. You might even surprise yourself
and string a whole sentence together that doesn't comprise the word "fuck"!

;)

Regards,

[Noons]

Post by Mark McDougall
LOL! And what a valuable contribution *YOU* make to this NG!

My contribution is not dependent on your posts, dipshit.

Post by Mark McDougall
Quite amusing that I appear to rile you so much. Actually gives me a little
pleasure, I must admit (oops, that makes me troll I suppose).

We have already established that, you stupid troll.

Post by Mark McDougall
I can just
picture you sitting at your computer, spittle flying out of your mouth as
you bang the keys in a rage as you respond to my posts.

I think you have a very fertile imagination, dipshit.

Post by Mark McDougall
Rather, it has more to do with the
appearance (or lack thereof) of any posts in the ensuing days/weeks that are
even remotely relevant to photography.

Don't hold your breath, the usual pack of trolls hasn't started yet...

Post by Mark McDougall
Now, why don't you do everyone a favour

"everyone"? Who the hell do you think you are to "speak for evryone",
you low-life sub-human?

Post by Mark McDougall
- drop this boring thread,

Why? You started it, you drop it. You. Not me.

Post by Mark McDougall
and think
about posting something about photography.

I do, dickhead.

Post by Mark McDougall
You might even surprise yourself
and string a whole sentence together that doesn't comprise the word "fuck"!

Just following your lead, fuckwit.

[Mark McDougall]

Post by Noons
dipshit.
you stupid troll.
dipshit.
you low-life sub-human?
dickhead.
Just following your lead, fuckwit.

Oh! So *close*!!! You *almost* made it, but for that last line... :(
Have another go.

[Noons]

Post by Mark McDougall

Post by Noons
dipshit.
you stupid troll.
dipshit.
you low-life sub-human?
dickhead.
Just following your lead, fuckwit.

Oh! So *close*!!! You *almost* made it, but for that last line... :(
Have another go.

<yawn>

[Troy Piggins]

* Mark McDougall wrote :
<snip />

Post by Mark McDougall
A final note. I'm a complete photography novice and haven't been involved in
the photography "scene" for very long, but I'm beginning to form a picture
of the "stereotypical" photography enthusiast, based on
comments/observations of *others* as discussed in numerous forums and
photogaphy clubs, as well as my own observations of the same. I'm not going
to elaborate further, other than to say that you would appear to me to fit
that stereotype extremely well. Read into that what you may.

Mark, do yourself a favour and join a moderated web-based forum
like:

POTN http://photography-on-the.net/forum/
This is my favourite, but not Aussie-based. Started out as a
Canon-based one, and the equipment sections certainly are
set up for that, but their not Nikon-bashers by any means and all
are welcome. I know there's a Brisbane-based "club" within it,
and an Aussie-based one.

Fred Miranda http://www.fredmiranda.com/
I'm not a member here, but I know some members and they rate it.

Australian Photography http://www.ausphotography.net.au/forum/
I have friends that are members of this one, and I've been to one
of their meets.

POTD.com.au http://www.potd.com.au/forum/?user=forum
Another Aussie-based one. The founder used to be a regular here,
not sure if he is any more.

[Mark McDougall]

G'day Troy,

Post by Troy Piggins
Mark, do yourself a favour and join a moderated web-based forum

Thanks for the tip! I'll check them out.

I've been lurking on the dpreview D90 forum for a few weeks, and asked a
question or two. They're generally very friendly and helpful. I was looking
for a local forum to complement it, hence my arrival here.

No doubt I let my disappointment get the better of me in my OP, but I never
imagined it would attract a response the likes of Mr? Noons' tirade. I guess
there's one in every group. I'll persevere for a while with this NG in the
hope that my perspective was somewhat distorted by the fact that I
immediately had upwards of 500 posts to wade through, most of which were
complete and utter rubbish.

Regards,

[Rob]

Post by Mark McDougall
G'day Troy,

Post by Troy Piggins
Mark, do yourself a favour and join a moderated web-based forum

Thanks for the tip! I'll check them out.
I've been lurking on the dpreview D90 forum for a few weeks, and asked a
question or two. They're generally very friendly and helpful. I was
looking for a local forum to complement it, hence my arrival here.
No doubt I let my disappointment get the better of me in my OP, but I
never imagined it would attract a response the likes of Mr? Noons'
tirade. I guess there's one in every group. I'll persevere for a while
with this NG in the hope that my perspective was somewhat distorted by
the fact that I immediately had upwards of 500 posts to wade through,
most of which were complete and utter rubbish.
Regards,

If you look you may find that this group collapsed due to crossposting
which attracted a considerable amount of sh*te.

[Noons]

Post by Rob
If you look you may find that this group collapsed due to crossposting
which attracted a considerable amount of sh*te.

No. This group collapsed because of a pack of trolls that used it for
their cross-posted scams.
And when that was slapped back on them and the same techniques used
against them, they pissed off as expected.

Long before that, the group had ceased to have ANY aussie traffic.
Cross-posting from a band of rednecks in the US is NOT traffic! The
few remaining posters got tired of the constant crap from the US
dipshits and left to flickr and other moderated places where cretins
like that are kept under control.

Why don't you tell the full story for a change?

[Joe]

Post by Noons

Post by Rob
If you look you may find that this group collapsed due to crossposting
which attracted a considerable amount of sh*te.

No. This group collapsed because of a pack of trolls that used it for
their cross-posted scams.
And when that was slapped back on them and the same techniques used
against them, they pissed off as expected.
Long before that, the group had ceased to have ANY aussie traffic.
Cross-posting from a band of rednecks in the US is NOT traffic! The
few remaining posters got tired of the constant crap from the US
dipshits and left to flickr and other moderated places where cretins
like that are kept under control.
Why don't you tell the full story for a change?

You just did and expanded on what I wrote.

[Troy Piggins]

Post by Mark McDougall
G'day Troy,

Post by Troy Piggins
Mark, do yourself a favour and join a moderated web-based forum

Thanks for the tip! I'll check them out.
I've been lurking on the dpreview D90 forum for a few weeks, and asked a
question or two. They're generally very friendly and helpful. I was looking
for a local forum to complement it, hence my arrival here.

I almost mentioned DPReview as well. I'm not a member there,
though, so not sure of the forum's "mood". From talking to some
guys I know that are members there, I get the impression it's not
quite for me and I'll stick with POTN.

I do use it for research/reviews, along with many other sites.

YMMV. ;)

Post by Mark McDougall
No doubt I let my disappointment get the better of me in my OP, but I never
imagined it would attract a response the likes of Mr? Noons' tirade. I guess
there's one in every group. I'll persevere for a while with this NG in the
hope that my perspective was somewhat distorted by the fact that I
immediately had upwards of 500 posts to wade through, most of which were
complete and utter rubbish.

If you're using Windows and Thunderbird, as others have mentioned
you'll have limited filtering capabilities.

My first recommendation, if you're on USENET a bit, would be to
install a real NNTP client like XNews (free). It's one of the
best and has great filtering capabilities, as well as many other
customisable features. http://xnews.newsguy.com/

If you absolutely have to stick with TB for some reason, you
could install a NNTP proxy server like Hamster (also free) or
NewsProxy (also also free) that have filtering capabilities in
them, so TB doesn't need to filter anything.

Check out news.software.readers if you need more help on that, or
if you're interested.

Of course, if you have linux, the SLRN news reader and Leafnode
proxy is the absolute best combo around. Just ask me. :)

[Mark McDougall]

Post by Troy Piggins
I almost mentioned DPReview as well. I'm not a member there,
though, so not sure of the forum's "mood". From talking to some
guys I know that are members there, I get the impression it's not
quite for me and I'll stick with POTN.

Heh, I think even with my lmited experience I know what you're talking
about. :) But it is useful to pick up a few tips, if you're cautious in what
you consider "gospel" and I find it especially interesting looking at
others' photos submitted for C&C.

Post by Troy Piggins
If you're using Windows and Thunderbird, as others have mentioned
you'll have limited filtering capabilities.

(snip)

I should probably invest more time in coming up to speed with this sort of
thing, but the fact is I am subscribed to another 19 usenet newsgroups on
the same server and not one of them exhibits the same problem (I am led to
believe that my ISP does do some form of filtering on usenet newsgroups).

Anyway, thanks again for the tips.

Regards,

[Troy Piggins]

Post by Mark McDougall

Post by Troy Piggins
I almost mentioned DPReview as well. I'm not a member there,
though, so not sure of the forum's "mood". From talking to some
guys I know that are members there, I get the impression it's not
quite for me and I'll stick with POTN.

Heh, I think even with my lmited experience I know what you're talking
about. :) But it is useful to pick up a few tips, if you're cautious in what
you consider "gospel" and I find it especially interesting looking at
others' photos submitted for C&C.

Post by Troy Piggins
If you're using Windows and Thunderbird, as others have mentioned
you'll have limited filtering capabilities.

(snip)
I should probably invest more time in coming up to speed with this sort of
thing, but the fact is I am subscribed to another 19 usenet newsgroups on
the same server and not one of them exhibits the same problem (I am led to
believe that my ISP does do some form of filtering on usenet newsgroups).
Anyway, thanks again for the tips.

No worries. And now...

Fire away with your photography questions, go take some photos,
post 'em here for critiques, let's get on with it! :) It's all
about increasing the signal to noise ratio. Mind you, I haven't
posted here for a while myself. Guilty. I'll start again if I
can get some time outside of work to enjoy this hobby.

PS - have you seen the rec.photo.* groups? Plenty of OT stuff in
those, but also lotta knowledge.

[Noons]

Post by Mark McDougall
No doubt I let my disappointment get the better of me in my OP, but I never
imagined it would attract a response the likes of Mr? Noons' tirade.

Really? And your initial post was not a "tirade" as well? I guess
what is good for you is not good for the gander? Guess what: every
single time you post shit that is not on topic here or is an ad-homine
attack or just plain incorrect like your OP, you'll get me or someone
else at your heels. And there is nothing you can do that will stop
it.
Understand this very clearly: this is a two way street, not some
moderated crap where you can say whatever you want under the
protection of "friends". Here, you dish out, you cop it back in
spades. Capice?

Post by Mark McDougall
I guess
there's one in every group.

Exactly. And guess what: it ain't me.

Post by Mark McDougall
I'll persevere for a while with this NG in the
hope that my perspective was somewhat distorted by the fact that I
immediately had upwards of 500 posts to wade through, most of which were
complete and utter rubbish.

Try posting about photography, instead of "perspective distortion" and
other equally stupid tirades.
It might actually earn you a useful reply.

[Mark McDougall]

Post by Noons
Try posting about photography, instead of "perspective distortion" and
other equally stupid tirades.

That I shall endeavour to do.

But one last question. The others I can understand, but "Mystic Pizza"? Are
you serious?

Regards,

[Noons]

Post by Mark McDougall

Post by Noons
Try posting about photography, instead of "perspective distortion" and
other equally stupid tirades.

That I shall endeavour to do.

Excellent! Welcome!

Post by Mark McDougall
But one last question. The others I can understand, but "Mystic Pizza"?
Are you serious?

'scuse the french, but: duh?

[Noons]

Post by Noons

Post by Mark McDougall
But one last question. The others I can understand, but "Mystic
Pizza"? Are you serious?

'scuse the french, but: duh?

Ah, got it! Sorry, cultural background thing.

[Mark McDougall]

Post by Troy Piggins
POTN http://photography-on-the.net/forum/
Australian Photography http://www.ausphotography.net.au/forum/

I've signed up to these... see how it goes.

Post by Troy Piggins
I have friends that are members of this one, and I've been to one
of their meets.

What did you think of the meet? Was it a Sydney-based one, per chance?

Regards,

[Troy Piggins]

Post by Mark McDougall

Post by Troy Piggins
POTN http://photography-on-the.net/forum/
Australian Photography http://www.ausphotography.net.au/forum/

I've signed up to these... see how it goes.

Cool.

At POTN, in the POTN Lounge sections, there's an Aussie Club
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=814811&highlight=aussie
Ask around there if there's a more localised one for Sydney or
wherever you're based. I know there's a Brisbane one. There's
way too much traffic in those for me to follow regularly, but
it's good to drop in there, introduce yourself, and make it known
that you'd be interested in meets or whatever to keep you in
mind. They'll point you in the right direction.

Post by Mark McDougall

Post by Troy Piggins
I have friends that are members of this one, and I've been to one
of their meets.

What did you think of the meet? Was it a Sydney-based one, per chance?

No, it was a Brisbane macro meet.