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[SI] Intetesting is up!
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Bowser
2009-09-07 21:03:36 UTC
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All the interesting shots have been posted here:

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting

Why didn't you submit?
Alan Browne
2009-09-07 21:43:06 UTC
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Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
Just did, was out most of the day.
Bowser
2009-09-07 23:45:57 UTC
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Got them, and posted them with comments. Along with a shot from Helen, who
sent a shot of a person some might find interesting, to say the least.
Post by Alan Browne
Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
Just did, was out most of the day.
Alan Browne
2009-09-08 00:16:43 UTC
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Post by Bowser
Got them, and posted them with comments. Along with a shot from Helen,
who sent a shot of a person some might find interesting, to say the least.
Helen's shot explanation is BS - I doubt "she" shot it.

ISO 1600 on a dark cloudy day would be 1/500 @ f/16 (slowest aperture of
the 35 GT).

Maybe 1/250 if _really_ dark and cloudy.

The softness in the shot is mainly JPG artifacts.

C'mon "Helen" - what's the real deal here? Pop that off a website?
Helen
2009-09-08 00:26:34 UTC
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Post by Alan Browne
Post by Bowser
Got them, and posted them with comments. Along with a shot from Helen,
who sent a shot of a person some might find interesting, to say the least.
Helen's shot explanation is BS - I doubt "she" shot it.
the 35 GT).
Maybe 1/250 if _really_ dark and cloudy.
The softness in the shot is mainly JPG artifacts.
C'mon "Helen" - what's the real deal here?  Pop that off a website?
HOW DARE YOU ALAN!!
I took that pic right in front of Ryerson Polytechnic University on
the corner of Church and Gould St. I admit I was probably wrong about
the exposure because quite frankly I can't remember. I took a wild
guess. I scanned the print to send in for the SI. Please email me
your address so I can send you the negative to confirm.
Annika1980
2009-09-08 00:42:09 UTC
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Post by Helen
Post by Alan Browne
C'mon "Helen" - what's the real deal here?  Pop that off a website?
HOW DARE YOU ALAN!!
I took that pic right in front of Ryerson Polytechnic University on
the corner of Church and Gould St.  I admit I was probably wrong about
the exposure because quite frankly I can't remember.  I took a wild
guess.   I scanned the print to send in for the SI.  Please email me
your address so I can send you the negative to confirm.
I wouldn't worry about it. Everybody knows that Pbase always screws
up that damn EXIF info.
Helen
2009-09-08 01:06:57 UTC
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Post by Helen
Post by Alan Browne
C'mon "Helen" - what's the real deal here?  Pop that off a website?
HOW DARE YOU ALAN!!
I took that pic right in front of Ryerson Polytechnic University on
the corner of Church and Gould St.  I admit I was probably wrong about
the exposure because quite frankly I can't remember.  I took a wild
guess.   I scanned the print to send in for the SI.  Please email me
your address so I can send you the negative to confirm.
I wouldn't worry about it.  Everybody knows that Pbase always screws
up that damn EXIF info.
No, I screwed up the exposure data. Since I used film there is no
EXIF data. I have a bad habit of never marking down the technical
stuff after a shot, like F stop, shutter speed, etc.
This is the second time Alan has accused me of using a pic I never
took. I submitted a pic of the U of T one year and he suggested I got
it from a text book.
Annika1980
2009-09-08 01:08:59 UTC
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No,  I screwed up the exposure data.  Since I used film there is no
EXIF data.  I have a bad habit of never marking down the technical
stuff after a shot, like F stop, shutter speed, etc.
This is the second time Alan has accused me of using a pic I never
took.  I submitted a pic of the U of T one year and he suggested I got
it from a text book.
Consider his jealousy of your obvious talent as the highest form of
flattery.
Helen
2009-09-08 01:12:10 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
No,  I screwed up the exposure data.  Since I used film there is no
EXIF data.  I have a bad habit of never marking down the technical
stuff after a shot, like F stop, shutter speed, etc.
This is the second time Alan has accused me of using a pic I never
took.  I submitted a pic of the U of T one year and he suggested I got
it from a text book.
Consider his jealousy of your obvious talent as the highest form of
flattery.
Thanks Bret.
Alan Browne
2009-09-09 00:41:21 UTC
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Post by Helen
Post by Annika1980
Post by Helen
No, I screwed up the exposure data. Since I used film there is no
EXIF data. I have a bad habit of never marking down the technical
stuff after a shot, like F stop, shutter speed, etc.
This is the second time Alan has accused me of using a pic I never
took. I submitted a pic of the U of T one year and he suggested I got
it from a text book.
Consider his jealousy of your obvious talent as the highest form of
flattery.
Thanks Bret.
Show us the film Helen.
Helen
2009-09-09 02:04:59 UTC
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Post by Alan Browne
Post by Helen
Post by Annika1980
No,  I screwed up the exposure data.  Since I used film there is no
EXIF data.  I have a bad habit of never marking down the technical
stuff after a shot, like F stop, shutter speed, etc.
This is the second time Alan has accused me of using a pic I never
took.  I submitted a pic of the U of T one year and he suggested I got
it from a text book.
Consider his jealousy of your obvious talent as the highest form of
flattery.
Thanks Bret.
Show us the film Helen.
It was clearly human error on my part, stating that I used a 1600 ISO
film. I used 100 ISO in the Minox and 1600 ISO in the Canonet. I
used these 2 camera specifically that day because they are very quiet
and non-intimidating to people. I accidently posted the wrong ISO
number as well as the wrong exposure.
This is part of the contact sheet. I don't have a negative scanner.
If you want to see the neg. give me your address and I will send it to
you.

[IMG]http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr276/greenmilewalker/
contactsheetscan.jpg[/IMG]

Sorry Bowser, this is my last SI contribution. I don't need this kind
of crap.
Savageduck
2009-09-09 05:05:28 UTC
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Post by Helen
Post by Alan Browne
Post by Helen
Post by Annika1980
No,  I screwed up the exposure data.  Since I used film there is
no
Post by Alan Browne
Post by Helen
Post by Annika1980
EXIF data.  I have a bad habit of never marking down the technical
stuff after a shot, like F stop, shutter speed, etc.
This is the second time Alan has accused me of using a pic I never
took.  I submitted a pic of the U of T one year and he suggested I
got
Post by Alan Browne
Post by Helen
Post by Annika1980
it from a text book.
Consider his jealousy of your obvious talent as the highest form of
flattery.
Thanks Bret.
Show us the film Helen.
It was clearly human error on my part, stating that I used a 1600 ISO
film. I used 100 ISO in the Minox and 1600 ISO in the Canonet. I
used these 2 camera specifically that day because they are very quiet
and non-intimidating to people. I accidently posted the wrong ISO
number as well as the wrong exposure.
This is part of the contact sheet. I don't have a negative scanner.
If you want to see the neg. give me your address and I will send it to
you.
[IMG]http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr276/greenmilewalker/
contactsheetscan.jpg[/IMG]
Sorry Bowser, this is my last SI contribution. I don't need this kind
of crap.
Helen, there are always going to be those who are going to try to pull
everything some individuals produce apart.
Why deny yourself the opportunity to play this game, there is an
element of fun and challenge. Everybody is a critic. I am a relatively
new contributor, and I have gained insight from all the contributions,
and I could care less for some of the comments made about some of my
marginal efforts. I reject venom, and appreciate constructive
suggestion. I am not too proud to revisit any of my images to see how a
tweek as suggested would work, sometimes the suggestion is better,
sometimes I prefer my original. Oh well!
All of my submissions were made in good faith and in the spirit of the
concept of the SI, as I believe were yours. I have chosen not to be a
critic with regard to any of the submissions, just to occasionally
comment on the amazing quality and thought which has gone into some of
those photographs. The marginal shots, mine included, were an
opportunity to exercise brain and camera, and to learn from mistakes
(not all of us are "Pros".)
Yours have been among some of the more thought provoking, and it would
be sad to not have your take on things in the mix.

Please rethink your position. I know some such as Bret feel somewhat
jaded over some current SI mandates, but his and your absence will be
felt. So Just tell us you will consider contributing again once you
have cooled down.
--
Regards,

Savageduck
Helen
2009-09-09 02:10:25 UTC
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Post by Alan Browne
Post by Helen
Post by Annika1980
No,  I screwed up the exposure data.  Since I used film there is no
EXIF data.  I have a bad habit of never marking down the technical
stuff after a shot, like F stop, shutter speed, etc.
This is the second time Alan has accused me of using a pic I never
took.  I submitted a pic of the U of T one year and he suggested I got
it from a text book.
Consider his jealousy of your obvious talent as the highest form of
flattery.
Thanks Bret.
Show us the film Helen.
It was clearly human error on my part, stating that I used a 1600 ISO
film. I used 100 ISO in the Minox and 1600 ISO in the Canonet. I
used these 2 camera specifically that day because they are very quiet
and non-intimidating to people. I accidently posted the wrong ISO
number as well as the wrong exposure.
This is part of the contact sheet. I don't have a negative scanner.
If you want to see the neg. give me your address and I will send it
to
you.

[IMG]http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr276/greenmilewalker/
contactsheetscan.jpg[/IMG]
Loading Image...

Sorry Bowser, this is my last SI contribution. I don't need this
kind
of crap.
boo-hoo poor helen
2009-09-09 02:21:45 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:10:25 -0700 (PDT), Helen
Post by Helen
Sorry Bowser, this is my last SI contribution. I don't need this
kind
of crap.
Funny, some of us were just about to say that we don't need your kind of
crap snapshots taking up valuable net-space and bandwidth on the internet
either.

Don't you have some fellow snapshooter's ass you can go kiss somewhere?
That should keep you busy again.
Helen
2009-09-09 02:17:49 UTC
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Post by Alan Browne
Post by Helen
Post by Annika1980
No,  I screwed up the exposure data.  Since I used film there is no
EXIF data.  I have a bad habit of never marking down the technical
stuff after a shot, like F stop, shutter speed, etc.
This is the second time Alan has accused me of using a pic I never
took.  I submitted a pic of the U of T one year and he suggested I got
it from a text book.
Consider his jealousy of your obvious talent as the highest form of
flattery.
Thanks Bret.
Show us the film Helen.
Loading Image...

A scan of the contact sheet. It was clearly my mistake that I stated
the wrong exposure and ISO. I was using 2 film cameras that day.

Sorry Bowser, this is my last SI entry. I don't need this crap.
Helen
Helen
2009-09-09 02:30:03 UTC
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Post by Alan Browne
Post by Helen
Post by Annika1980
No,  I screwed up the exposure data.  Since I used film there is no
EXIF data.  I have a bad habit of never marking down the technical
stuff after a shot, like F stop, shutter speed, etc.
This is the second time Alan has accused me of using a pic I never
took.  I submitted a pic of the U of T one year and he suggested I got
it from a text book.
Consider his jealousy of your obvious talent as the highest form of
flattery.
Thanks Bret.
Show us the film Helen.
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr276/greenmilewalker/contactsheet...
A scan of the contact sheet.  It was clearly my mistake that I stated
the wrong exposure and ISO.  I was using 2 film cameras that day.
Sorry Bowser, this is my last SI entry.  I don't need this crap.
Helen- Hide quoted text -
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I had 100 ISO in the Minox and 1600 ISO in the Canonet. I used these
small camera for a reason. They are quiet and non-intimidating when
confronting strangers and asking if I can take their photo. I just
made a mistake writing down the data.
Annika1980
2009-09-09 04:13:47 UTC
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http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr276/greenmilewalker/contactsheet...
A scan of the contact sheet.  It was clearly my mistake that I stated
the wrong exposure and ISO.  I was using 2 film cameras that day.
I guess Anal Browne's apology will be forthcoming.

Hey Brownie, what does that ISO 100 do to your calculations?
Let's see, you had it pegged at 1/500 @ ISO 1600, right?
Hmmmm, 4 stops difference ..... that's about 1/30 @ ISO 100 if my math
is right.
In other words, exactly as Helen said.

She punked you out.
George Kerby
2009-09-09 14:18:02 UTC
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On 9/8/09 11:13 PM, in article
Post by Annika1980
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr276/greenmilewalker/contactsheet...
A scan of the contact sheet.  It was clearly my mistake that I stated
the wrong exposure and ISO.  I was using 2 film cameras that day.
I guess Anal Browne's apology will be forthcoming.
Hey Brownie, what does that ISO 100 do to your calculations?
is right.
In other words, exactly as Helen said.
She punked you out.
He is just jealous. Anything outside of that sterile studio crap he posts
just doesn't cut it for Brownie. Street photography is a challenge that he
doesn't understand.
Alan Browne
2009-09-09 23:55:21 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr276/greenmilewalker/contactsheet...
A scan of the contact sheet. It was clearly my mistake that I stated
the wrong exposure and ISO. I was using 2 film cameras that day.
I guess Anal Browne's apology will be forthcoming.
Nothing to apologize for - she made the bizarre claim, not me. I'm
happy she found the Contact Sheet and cleared her claim.
Post by Annika1980
Hey Brownie, what does that ISO 100 do to your calculations?
is right.
Duh. But she claimed ISO 1600. Do keep up.
Post by Annika1980
In other words, exactly as Helen said.
She punked you out.
By _her_ making a mistake she punked _herself_ out.
tony cooper
2009-09-10 01:41:08 UTC
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On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:55:21 -0400, Alan Browne
Post by Alan Browne
Post by Annika1980
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr276/greenmilewalker/contactsheet...
A scan of the contact sheet. It was clearly my mistake that I stated
the wrong exposure and ISO. I was using 2 film cameras that day.
I guess Anal Browne's apology will be forthcoming.
Nothing to apologize for - she made the bizarre claim, not me. I'm
happy she found the Contact Sheet and cleared her claim.
Bullshit. When you come across something that is obviously
out-of-synch, the reasonable approach is to politely suggest that the
data be checked or verified. Your direct accusation was odious.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Alan Browne
2009-09-09 23:35:25 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr276/greenmilewalker/contactsheet...
A scan of the contact sheet. It was clearly my mistake that I stated
the wrong exposure and ISO. I was using 2 film cameras that day.
I guess Anal Browne's apology will be forthcoming.
Hey Brownie, what does that ISO 100 do to your calculations?
is right.
In other words, exactly as Helen said.
She punked you out.
No. She claimed it was at ISO 1600. That did not wash for a "shaky
shot" as claimed even if the aperture was stopped down to f/16.

Not that anyone else picked up on it.
Robert Coe
2009-09-12 21:50:36 UTC
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On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:35:25 -0400, Alan Browne
<***@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
: Annika1980 wrote:
: > On Sep 8, 10:17 pm, Helen <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >
: >> http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr276/greenmilewalker/contactsheet...
: >>
: >> A scan of the contact sheet. It was clearly my mistake that I stated
: >> the wrong exposure and ISO. I was using 2 film cameras that day.
: >>
: >
: > I guess Anal Browne's apology will be forthcoming.
: >
: > Hey Brownie, what does that ISO 100 do to your calculations?
: > Let's see, you had it pegged at 1/500 @ ISO 1600, right?
: > Hmmmm, 4 stops difference ..... that's about 1/30 @ ISO 100 if my math
: > is right.
: > In other words, exactly as Helen said.
: >
: > She punked you out.
:
: No. She claimed it was at ISO 1600. That did not wash for a "shaky
: shot" as claimed even if the aperture was stopped down to f/16.
:
: Not that anyone else picked up on it.

Not that anyone else gave a crap.

Bob
Alan Browne
2009-09-09 23:49:08 UTC
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Post by Helen
Post by Alan Browne
Post by Helen
Post by Annika1980
Post by Helen
No, I screwed up the exposure data. Since I used film there is no
EXIF data. I have a bad habit of never marking down the technical
stuff after a shot, like F stop, shutter speed, etc.
This is the second time Alan has accused me of using a pic I never
took. I submitted a pic of the U of T one year and he suggested I got
it from a text book.
Consider his jealousy of your obvious talent as the highest form of
flattery.
Thanks Bret.
Show us the film Helen.
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr276/greenmilewalker/contactsheet1scan.jpg
That explains it.
Post by Helen
A scan of the contact sheet. It was clearly my mistake that I stated
the wrong exposure and ISO. I was using 2 film cameras that day.
Sorry Bowser, this is my last SI entry. I don't need this crap.
Helen
boo hoo. You post a small, JPG artifact laden image and claim it's soft
due to speed while using ISO 1600 under cloudy skies and I question
that. Just doesn't wash.

Can you post a better scan? Larger. Cleaner (no JPG artifacts).
tony cooper
2009-09-10 03:20:08 UTC
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On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:49:08 -0400, Alan Browne
Post by Alan Browne
boo hoo. You post a small, JPG artifact laden image and claim it's soft
due to speed while using ISO 1600 under cloudy skies and I question
that. Just doesn't wash.
Questioned it? You bloody well called her a liar and an image thief.
You said "I doubt 'she' shot it" and "...what's the real deal here?
Pop that off a website?"

Further, you put scare quotes around "Helen" and "she" to imply that
the poster is really neither Helen nor a female.

This can be a nasty group, but that kind of nastiness is beyond
redemption.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Helen
2009-09-10 04:39:43 UTC
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This is the 4X6 proof print made from a 35mm negative.
ISO 100. I believe the shutter speed to be slower than 1/30.

Loading Image...
Alan Browne
2009-09-10 23:25:53 UTC
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Post by Helen
This is the 4X6 proof print made from a 35mm negative.
ISO 100. I believe the shutter speed to be slower than 1/30.
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr276/greenmilewalker/dominatricproofprintscan100ISO.jpg
Ugh. Even worse looking... you should be whipped. Maybe you were ...
Helen
2009-09-11 00:42:57 UTC
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Post by Helen
This is the 4X6 proof print made from a 35mm negative.
ISO 100.  I believe the shutter speed to be slower than 1/30.
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr276/greenmilewalker/dominatricpr...
Ugh.  Even worse looking... you should be whipped.  Maybe you were ...
I scanned it numerous times and wasn't happy with any of them. I
tried to adjust the exposure a bit, even did a bit of sharpening. I
don't like the results. Nothing can compare to the print I hold in my
hand right now. The lab, Toronto Black & White did an excellent job
but my scanner cannot replicate it.
As I said in the beginning, it is not my best work. Technically it's
way too soft for my liking but under the circumstances I couldn't pass
the opportunity to shoot this interesting subject.
A friend of mine is going to scan the neg. for me.

I would appreciate it if you kept me out of your posts from now on. I
rarely post anymore, so you have no reason to say a thing about me.
Annika1980
2009-09-10 16:31:03 UTC
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Post by tony cooper
On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:49:08 -0400, Alan Browne
boo hoo.  You post a small, JPG artifact laden image and claim it's soft
due to speed while using ISO 1600 under cloudy skies and I question
that.  Just doesn't wash.
Questioned it?  You bloody well called her a liar and an image thief.
You said "I doubt 'she' shot it" and "...what's the real deal here?
Pop that off a website?"
Further, you put scare quotes around "Helen" and "she" to imply that
the poster is really neither Helen nor a female.
This can be a nasty group, but that kind of nastiness is beyond
redemption.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
True, that.
It wasn't Anal's questioning of the exposure that was the problem.
It was his questioning of Helen's reputation and his unfounded
accusations about the ownership of the pic in question that made him
look like a fool and a tool.

And unless Browne has been asleep for the past few years, he knows
that Helen is quite accomplished in that form of photography so he had
no basis for questioning the authenticity of this pic.

"Heckuva job, Brownie!"
George Kerby
2009-09-10 16:47:07 UTC
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Post by tony cooper
On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:49:08 -0400, Alan Browne
Post by Alan Browne
boo hoo. You post a small, JPG artifact laden image and claim it's soft
due to speed while using ISO 1600 under cloudy skies and I question
that. Just doesn't wash.
Questioned it? You bloody well called her a liar and an image thief.
You said "I doubt 'she' shot it" and "...what's the real deal here?
Pop that off a website?"
Further, you put scare quotes around "Helen" and "she" to imply that
the poster is really neither Helen nor a female.
This can be a nasty group, but that kind of nastiness is beyond
redemption.
I don't know, BrownieBoy and FishRot are trying to outdo each other, it
seems...
Alan Browne
2009-09-09 00:41:02 UTC
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Post by Helen
Post by Alan Browne
Post by Bowser
Got them, and posted them with comments. Along with a shot from Helen,
who sent a shot of a person some might find interesting, to say the least.
Helen's shot explanation is BS - I doubt "she" shot it.
the 35 GT).
Maybe 1/250 if _really_ dark and cloudy.
The softness in the shot is mainly JPG artifacts.
C'mon "Helen" - what's the real deal here? Pop that off a website?
HOW DARE YOU ALAN!!
I dare:

1. Way out of reality exposure data
2. JPG artifacts that could kill a horse
3. Photo way undersized
Alan Browne
2009-09-11 00:02:44 UTC
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Post by Alan Browne
Post by Bowser
Got them, and posted them with comments. Along with a shot from Helen,
who sent a shot of a person some might find interesting, to say the least.
Helen's shot explanation is BS - I doubt "she" shot it.
the 35 GT).
Maybe 1/250 if _really_ dark and cloudy.
The softness in the shot is mainly JPG artifacts.
C'mon "Helen" - what's the real deal here? Pop that off a website?
Helen, Please accept my apology for the above. I questioned your
integrity rather than the simple facts and possible error.

Alan.
tony cooper
2009-09-11 00:32:13 UTC
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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:02:44 -0400, Alan Browne
Post by Alan Browne
Post by Alan Browne
Post by Bowser
Got them, and posted them with comments. Along with a shot from Helen,
who sent a shot of a person some might find interesting, to say the least.
Helen's shot explanation is BS - I doubt "she" shot it.
the 35 GT).
Maybe 1/250 if _really_ dark and cloudy.
The softness in the shot is mainly JPG artifacts.
C'mon "Helen" - what's the real deal here? Pop that off a website?
Helen, Please accept my apology for the above. I questioned your
integrity rather than the simple facts and possible error.
Well done. It doesn't excuse the rudeness of the original post, but
at least you have enough class to apologize.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Reality Bytes
2009-09-11 01:05:25 UTC
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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:32:13 -0400, tony cooper
Post by tony cooper
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:02:44 -0400, Alan Browne
Post by Alan Browne
Post by Alan Browne
Post by Bowser
Got them, and posted them with comments. Along with a shot from Helen,
who sent a shot of a person some might find interesting, to say the least.
Helen's shot explanation is BS - I doubt "she" shot it.
the 35 GT).
Maybe 1/250 if _really_ dark and cloudy.
The softness in the shot is mainly JPG artifacts.
C'mon "Helen" - what's the real deal here? Pop that off a website?
Helen, Please accept my apology for the above. I questioned your
integrity rather than the simple facts and possible error.
Well done. It doesn't excuse the rudeness of the original post, but
at least you have enough class to apologize.
Why on earth should anyone have to apologize for their criticism of a POS
snapshot?

Ah. I get it. This is like Flickr, where unless you fawn all over the
snapshooting poster there must be something wrong with you.

wow

The only one who has shown no "class" here is this "Helen" character with
"her" worthless snapshots. And then playing the self-victimizing "poor
pitiful me" tactic for attention for it.

What a fucking waste of human flesh (and camera).
tony cooper
2009-09-11 02:44:17 UTC
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Post by Reality Bytes
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:32:13 -0400, tony cooper
Post by tony cooper
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:02:44 -0400, Alan Browne
Post by Alan Browne
Post by Alan Browne
Post by Bowser
Got them, and posted them with comments. Along with a shot from Helen,
who sent a shot of a person some might find interesting, to say the least.
Helen's shot explanation is BS - I doubt "she" shot it.
the 35 GT).
Maybe 1/250 if _really_ dark and cloudy.
The softness in the shot is mainly JPG artifacts.
C'mon "Helen" - what's the real deal here? Pop that off a website?
Helen, Please accept my apology for the above. I questioned your
integrity rather than the simple facts and possible error.
Well done. It doesn't excuse the rudeness of the original post, but
at least you have enough class to apologize.
Why on earth should anyone have to apologize for their criticism of a POS
snapshot?
Are you truly this dense? No one objected to his criticism of the
photograph. He didn't apologize for the criticism of the photo, and
there was no reason he should

I hope it doesn't rain where you are tonight.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Annika1980
2009-09-07 21:58:25 UTC
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Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
"You talkin' to me?
You talkin' to me?
You talkin' to me?
Then who the hell else are you talking... you talking to me?
Well I'm the only one here.
Who the fuck do you think you're talking to?
Oh yeah? OK."
Savageduck
2009-09-07 22:15:06 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
"You talkin' to me?
You talkin' to me?
You talkin' to me?
Then who the hell else are you talking... you talking to me?
Well I'm the only one here.
Who the fuck do you think you're talking to?
Oh yeah? OK."
Bret,
You are supposed to roll over on your back, get your belly scratched,
then run upstairs to kill everybody and save the maiden in distress.

...but first a shot of a hummer rolling in inverted, to attack a
feeder. (I know you could have done that.)
:-)
--
Regards,

Savageduck
Annika1980
2009-09-08 00:32:09 UTC
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Post by Savageduck
Bret,
You are supposed to roll over on your back, get your belly scratched,
then run upstairs to kill everybody and save the maiden in distress.
...but first a shot of a hummer rolling in inverted, to attack a
feeder. (I know you could have done that.)
I'd like to think that lots of the pics I post are interesting.
Here's a few I took within the mandate period, but I didn't submit
them since I had already posted them.

http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/116371700/original
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/116527802
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/116768911

I guess you could say that this mandate simply didn't interest me.
Savageduck
2009-09-08 00:58:05 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
Post by Savageduck
Bret,
You are supposed to roll over on your back, get your belly scratched,
then run upstairs to kill everybody and save the maiden in distress.
...but first a shot of a hummer rolling in inverted, to attack a
feeder. (I know you could have done that.)
I'd like to think that lots of the pics I post are interesting.
Here's a few I took within the mandate period, but I didn't submit
them since I had already posted them.
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/116371700/original
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/116527802
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/116768911
Always good work, and yes I saw your earlier posts.
Post by Annika1980
I guess you could say that this mandate simply didn't interest me.
Do you mean that nothing you shoot is of interest to you?
If it is, others might find it equally interesting.
...still, much of what you produce is interesting to others, and after
all the whole idea of SI is to give all of us, experienced and novices
alike, a forum to share, teach and learn.
--
Regards,

Savageduck
Annika1980
2009-09-08 01:07:31 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
I guess you could say that this mandate simply didn't interest me.
Do you mean that nothing you shoot is of interest to you?
No, I mean that nothing interesting is worth saving for the mandate.
If the mandate is more specific and requires going out and shooting
specifically for the mandate then that's one thing. But a vague
mandate like "Interesting?" What the heck is that?

Can't wait for next month's mandate ...... "Photo."
Savageduck
2009-09-08 01:20:02 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
Post by Savageduck
Post by Annika1980
I guess you could say that this mandate simply didn't interest me.
Do you mean that nothing you shoot is of interest to you?
No, I mean that nothing interesting is worth saving for the mandate.
If the mandate is more specific and requires going out and shooting
specifically for the mandate then that's one thing. But a vague
mandate like "Interesting?" What the heck is that?
Can't wait for next month's mandate ...... "Photo."
Maybe "Click?"
--
Regards,

Savageduck
tony cooper
2009-09-08 04:52:50 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
Post by Savageduck
Bret,
You are supposed to roll over on your back, get your belly scratched,
then run upstairs to kill everybody and save the maiden in distress.
...but first a shot of a hummer rolling in inverted, to attack a
feeder. (I know you could have done that.)
I'd like to think that lots of the pics I post are interesting.
Here's a few I took within the mandate period, but I didn't submit
them since I had already posted them.
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/116371700/original
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/116527802
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/116768911
I guess you could say that this mandate simply didn't interest me.
We get the message, Bret. If you can't pick the mandate, you don't
play.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Annika1980
2009-09-08 13:59:59 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
I guess you could say that this mandate simply didn't interest me.
We get the message, Bret.  If you can't pick the mandate, you don't
play.  
--
I've played in plenty that I didn't pick, more than you in fact.
I'm simply suggesting that one reason the Shoot-In has lost it's
luster (at least for me) is because of unimaginative mandates. Now
this is where you give me your speech about how a real photographer
can still go out and produce something worthwhile with even a poorly
chosen mandate. And I do, on a daily basis. I simply don't choose to
wait until the mandate to post them. I don't have a problem with
going outside my normal boundaries and shooting shots specifically for
the mandate, like I did for the "Filters" one.

IOW, if the mandate is lame and unimaginative the photos submitted
probably will be as well.
Witness the current crop of mostly unimaginative dreck.
C'mon people, airplane engines, bulldozers and libraries? Geez!

I did like Helen's pic as well as BobCoe1, Bowser2, and Calvin
Sambrook's shot.
Tim Conway's HDR attempt made me wanna puke., however.
Tim Conway
2009-09-08 14:59:11 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
I guess you could say that this mandate simply didn't interest me.
We get the message, Bret. If you can't pick the mandate, you don't
play.
--
I've played in plenty that I didn't pick, more than you in fact.
I'm simply suggesting that one reason the Shoot-In has lost it's
luster (at least for me) is because of unimaginative mandates. Now
this is where you give me your speech about how a real photographer
can still go out and produce something worthwhile with even a poorly
chosen mandate. And I do, on a daily basis. I simply don't choose to
wait until the mandate to post them. I don't have a problem with
going outside my normal boundaries and shooting shots specifically for
the mandate, like I did for the "Filters" one.

IOW, if the mandate is lame and unimaginative the photos submitted
probably will be as well.
Witness the current crop of mostly unimaginative dreck.
C'mon people, airplane engines, bulldozers and libraries? Geez!

I did like Helen's pic as well as BobCoe1, Bowser2, and Calvin
Sambrook's shot.
Tim Conway's HDR attempt made me wanna puke., however.

It was my best effort at that and I got paid for it, so I'm relatively
happy.
Take care of yourself, there's a lot of that flu goin' around.
Annika1980
2009-09-08 15:54:50 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
Tim Conway's HDR attempt made me wanna puke., however.
It was my best effort at that and I got paid for it, so I'm relatively
happy.
You got paid for that?
My first reaction upon seeing that pic was "HDR ... very
unnatural .... BLECH!"
Now that I look at it more closely I see that it isn't far from being
an acceptable shot.
I think it is the blue shadows that are putting me off. There is also
some minor haloing on the spires, but if you desaturate and darken the
shadows and slightly darken the side of the building that should be
shaded I think it would look a lot more natural.

I think that a good HDR shot is one where you can't really tell at
first glance that it's an HDR shot.
Your shot screamed, "HDR." By making a few adjustments, it could be
saved.
Tim Conway
2009-09-08 16:55:04 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
Tim Conway's HDR attempt made me wanna puke., however.
It was my best effort at that and I got paid for it, so I'm relatively
happy.
You got paid for that?
My first reaction upon seeing that pic was "HDR ... very
unnatural .... BLECH!"
Now that I look at it more closely I see that it isn't far from being
an acceptable shot.
I think it is the blue shadows that are putting me off. There is also
some minor haloing on the spires, but if you desaturate and darken the
shadows and slightly darken the side of the building that should be
shaded I think it would look a lot more natural.

I think that a good HDR shot is one where you can't really tell at
first glance that it's an HDR shot.
Your shot screamed, "HDR." By making a few adjustments, it could be
saved.

Thanks, Bret. It really was my first attempt. I'm very new at that.
tony cooper
2009-09-08 17:27:45 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 06:59:59 -0700 (PDT), Annika1980
Post by Annika1980
Post by Annika1980
I guess you could say that this mandate simply didn't interest me.
We get the message, Bret.  If you can't pick the mandate, you don't
play.  
--
I've played in plenty that I didn't pick, more than you in fact.
I've posted images in every SI that has been held since the SI was
re-instated. I haven't been reading the newsgroup as long as you
have.
Post by Annika1980
I'm simply suggesting that one reason the Shoot-In has lost it's
luster (at least for me) is because of unimaginative mandates. Now
this is where you give me your speech about how a real photographer
can still go out and produce something worthwhile with even a poorly
chosen mandate.
No, you don't get that speech. You get the "Participate or STFU"
speech. There are many readers of the newsgroup that do not choose to
enter the SI, but only a few whiners who feel the rest of care about
their opinion of why they don't participate.
Post by Annika1980
And I do, on a daily basis. I simply don't choose to
wait until the mandate to post them.
So why not choose to just go about your business taking shots that
interest you, posting them, and ignoring the SI?

Really, Bret, you come across as a talented photographer, a person
with a good eye for what is photographable, and a childishly petulant
person who has to have things his way. I think you post your
photographs independently because you are afraid that - as part of a
group - they will not receive the special attention that you want.
Post by Annika1980
I don't have a problem with
going outside my normal boundaries and shooting shots specifically for
the mandate, like I did for the "Filters" one.
I, for one, feel blessed by that. Not impressed, though, since I
don't remember what you entered. It, or they, didn't make an
impression.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Annika1980
2009-09-08 18:43:19 UTC
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Post by tony cooper
Really, Bret, you come across as a talented photographer, a person
with a good eye for what is photographable, and a childishly petulant
person who has to have things his way.  I think you post your
photographs independently because you are afraid that - as part of a
group - they will not receive the special attention that you want.
If I had to have things my way I'd still be running the SI.
As a participant in this group (not to mention a former SI Moderator)
I think I have the right to voice my opinion, whether I submit that
week or not. You, of course, have the right to ignore that opinion.

Also, I was posting pics before the Shoot-In ever started so I don't
expect to change my routine just because of it. Old habits die hard.
tony cooper
2009-09-08 19:37:27 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:43:19 -0700 (PDT), Annika1980
Post by Annika1980
Post by tony cooper
Really, Bret, you come across as a talented photographer, a person
with a good eye for what is photographable, and a childishly petulant
person who has to have things his way.  I think you post your
photographs independently because you are afraid that - as part of a
group - they will not receive the special attention that you want.
If I had to have things my way I'd still be running the SI.
When Bowser gets tired of it, I'd vote for you. Just to shut up the
whining, if nothing else.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Bowser
2009-09-09 19:38:43 UTC
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Post by tony cooper
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:43:19 -0700 (PDT), Annika1980
Post by Annika1980
Post by tony cooper
Really, Bret, you come across as a talented photographer, a person
with a good eye for what is photographable, and a childishly petulant
person who has to have things his way. I think you post your
photographs independently because you are afraid that - as part of a
group - they will not receive the special attention that you want.
If I had to have things my way I'd still be running the SI.
When Bowser gets tired of it, I'd vote for you. Just to shut up the
whining, if nothing else.
Well, I just made the offer, so we'll see if Bret takes me up on it. As far
as the whining goes, if he stops, I can fill the void.
Bowser
2009-09-09 19:38:00 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
Post by tony cooper
Really, Bret, you come across as a talented photographer, a person
with a good eye for what is photographable, and a childishly petulant
person who has to have things his way. I think you post your
photographs independently because you are afraid that - as part of a
group - they will not receive the special attention that you want.
If I had to have things my way I'd still be running the SI.
As a participant in this group (not to mention a former SI Moderator)
I think I have the right to voice my opinion, whether I submit that
week or not. You, of course, have the right to ignore that opinion.
You can have your way. Let me know and I'll send you the passwords to the
site and the mail account. Run it the way you want!
Annika1980
2009-09-09 19:51:22 UTC
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Post by Bowser
You can have your way. Let me know and I'll send you the passwords to the
site and the mail account. Run it the way you want!
Fuck that! Been there, done that.
i don't even have time to submit, you think I can find time to run it?
Where is Lisa Horton, anyway?

I'm sure Anal Browne would salivate at the chance to run it again.
Give it back to him.
Maybe there are other worthy people who would be willing to put in the
time to make it go.
Tony Cooper seems to have an interest in it so maybe give him a shot.
That might shut him up about it.

Or maybe Noons will volunteer?
Bowser
2009-09-09 21:53:40 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
Post by Bowser
You can have your way. Let me know and I'll send you the passwords to the
site and the mail account. Run it the way you want!
Fuck that! Been there, done that.
i don't even have time to submit, you think I can find time to run it?
Where is Lisa Horton, anyway?
I think maybe the idiotic bullshit that nearly ruins the NG from time to
time actually drove her out. Can't blame her. I run it for a while, I guess.
After the end of the year, I'll ask for a volunteer.

Next month's mandate will be sufficiently open to allow you to submit. If
you can find the time.
Post by Annika1980
I'm sure Anal Browne would salivate at the chance to run it again.
Give it back to him.
He's been there and done that.
Post by Annika1980
Maybe there are other worthy people who would be willing to put in the
time to make it go.
Tony Cooper seems to have an interest in it so maybe give him a shot.
That might shut him up about it.
Or maybe Noons will volunteer?
Holding my breath.

Not.
Bob Larter
2009-09-15 06:37:14 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
Post by Bowser
You can have your way. Let me know and I'll send you the passwords to the
site and the mail account. Run it the way you want!
Fuck that! Been there, done that.
i don't even have time to submit, you think I can find time to run it?
Where is Lisa Horton, anyway?
She got tired of being harassed & stalked by Steve Young, et al, & quit
the group.
Post by Annika1980
Or maybe Noons will volunteer?
LOL.
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
George Kerby
2009-09-09 00:40:24 UTC
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On 9/8/09 8:59 AM, in article
Post by Annika1980
Post by Annika1980
I guess you could say that this mandate simply didn't interest me.
We get the message, Bret.  If you can't pick the mandate, you don't
play.  
--
I've played in plenty that I didn't pick, more than you in fact.
I'm simply suggesting that one reason the Shoot-In has lost it's
luster (at least for me) is because of unimaginative mandates. Now
this is where you give me your speech about how a real photographer
can still go out and produce something worthwhile with even a poorly
chosen mandate. And I do, on a daily basis. I simply don't choose to
wait until the mandate to post them. I don't have a problem with
going outside my normal boundaries and shooting shots specifically for
the mandate, like I did for the "Filters" one.
IOW, if the mandate is lame and unimaginative the photos submitted
probably will be as well.
Witness the current crop of mostly unimaginative dreck.
C'mon people, airplane engines, bulldozers and libraries? Geez!
Man I don't know where you're coming from. That Calvin Sambrook library shot
was VERY interesting. Nice shadows on the ass, and the toenails - to boot!

What's wrong with you, man?
Annika1980
2009-09-09 00:43:46 UTC
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Post by George Kerby
Man I don't know where you're coming from. That Calvin Sambrook library shot
was VERY interesting. Nice shadows on the ass, and the toenails - to boot!
What's wrong with you, man?
I commented favorably on that shot, even though I thought it should
have been resized for web use.
I like the way the chick is putting the book back into the rack
backwards.

Oooh, I said "rack!"
George Kerby
2009-09-11 19:48:05 UTC
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On 9/8/09 7:43 PM, in article
Post by Annika1980
Post by George Kerby
Man I don't know where you're coming from. That Calvin Sambrook library shot
was VERY interesting. Nice shadows on the ass, and the toenails - to boot!
What's wrong with you, man?
I commented favorably on that shot, even though I thought it should
have been resized for web use.
I like the way the chick is putting the book back into the rack
backwards.
Oooh, I said "rack!"
Maybe she was racking out...
Savageduck
2009-09-08 03:12:05 UTC
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Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
I think we just killed pbase!!
--
Regards,

Savageduck
Paul Furman
2009-09-08 06:01:29 UTC
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Post by Savageduck
Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
I think we just killed pbase!!
Maybe my late submissions will slip in under the radar. I was out of
town for a few days & forgot to submit some I had chosen for this.
--
Paul Furman
www.edgehill.net
www.baynatives.com

all google groups messages filtered due to spam
Don Stauffer
2009-09-08 14:02:13 UTC
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Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
If you know that I didn't submit, you know that not all the interesting
shots are on the site :-)

Actually, why should someone submit shots to a photo site?
Annika1980
2009-09-08 15:59:39 UTC
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Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
Bowser,
I think the gallery would be more viewable if you limited the main
page to just 4 columns instead of 5. The 5th column doesn't evven
show up on my screen unless I scroll over.
This is adjustable by editing the Root Gallery settings.
Bowser
2009-09-08 16:51:52 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
Bowser,
I think the gallery would be more viewable if you limited the main
page to just 4 columns instead of 5. The 5th column doesn't evven
show up on my screen unless I scroll over.
This is adjustable by editing the Root Gallery settings.
I'll give it a look. And buy a bigger monitor, ferchrissake. Like the HP
2475.

Now suggest a mandate. Something imaginative.
unknown
2009-09-08 17:43:12 UTC
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Post by Bowser
Now suggest a mandate. Something imaginative.
I suggest "sadness is high key, happiness low key"

Doug McDonald
Lunabella
2009-09-08 18:26:17 UTC
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Post by unknown
Post by Bowser
Now suggest a mandate. Something imaginative.
I suggest "sadness is high key, happiness low key"
Doug McDonald
I think that interesting imaginative mandates would be challenging to
come up with. I would broadly group the prior mandates into "concept"
type, moods, feelings, things like "loss". And "technical", which would
be any that dictated specific subject matter and/or technique. The
latter seem less difficult, the former much more difficult to do well
but for me at least, much more interesting and fun.
Annika1980
2009-09-08 18:11:08 UTC
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Post by Bowser
I'll give it a look. And buy a bigger monitor, ferchrissake. Like the HP
2475.
It is more a resolution issue. My screen res is 1162x864, probably
not much different from most other people's.
Post by Bowser
Now suggest a mandate. Something imaginative.
After talking about Tim's pic I was gonna suggest HDR, but that might
go against the spirit of the game by submitting manipulated photos.
So how about "Light & Dark" or as they say in the biz, "High Key / Low
Key?" Photos should have either light or dark scenes or both. That
would include (and encourage) HDR photos, but would also allow those
without post-processing capabilities to submit.
Perhaps this has already been done in past mandates, I can't remember.
This is all off the top of my head, so I can probably think of
something better with a little more time.

Photography is all about Light, after all, so why not encourage people
to explore the use of it?
Bowser
2009-09-08 18:49:31 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
Post by Bowser
I'll give it a look. And buy a bigger monitor, ferchrissake. Like the HP
2475.
It is more a resolution issue. My screen res is 1162x864, probably
not much different from most other people's.
Post by Bowser
Now suggest a mandate. Something imaginative.
After talking about Tim's pic I was gonna suggest HDR, but that might
go against the spirit of the game by submitting manipulated photos.
So how about "Light & Dark" or as they say in the biz, "High Key / Low
Key?" Photos should have either light or dark scenes or both. That
would include (and encourage) HDR photos, but would also allow those
without post-processing capabilities to submit.
Perhaps this has already been done in past mandates, I can't remember.
This is all off the top of my head, so I can probably think of
something better with a little more time.
Photography is all about Light, after all, so why not encourage people
to explore the use of it?
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/light

What would you suggest beyond that?
Annika1980
2009-09-08 19:02:11 UTC
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Post by Bowser
Post by Annika1980
Photography is all about Light, after all, so why not encourage people
to explore the use of it?
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/light
What would you suggest beyond that?
How about exploring the use of light as it falls on ... say,
Cheerleaders! Or Hummingbirds.

How about "Flash?" Has that one been done?

Currently on another forum they are running one called "Straight out
of the Camera' where the pics must be straight from the camera with no
re-sizing, editing, etc. Something like this might not be a bad idea,
but you'd have to allow for re-sizing to get within the normal SI
mandate guidelines.

Another interesting one is "A Different Perspective."

Or how about "Curves?"
tony cooper
2009-09-08 19:32:23 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:02:11 -0700 (PDT), Annika1980
Post by Annika1980
Post by Bowser
Post by Annika1980
Photography is all about Light, after all, so why not encourage people
to explore the use of it?
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/light
What would you suggest beyond that?
How about exploring the use of light as it falls on ... say,
Cheerleaders! Or Hummingbirds.
How about "Flash?" Has that one been done?
Currently on another forum they are running one called "Straight out
of the Camera' where the pics must be straight from the camera with no
re-sizing, editing, etc.
That's the mandate for the just-started DGrin "Challenges". You want
this as a mandate so you can get ideas from all those submitted?

(There's no rule against re-sizing. Just no cropping.)
Post by Annika1980
Something like this might not be a bad idea,
but you'd have to allow for re-sizing to get within the normal SI
mandate guidelines.
Another interesting one is "A Different Perspective."
That's mandate for the just-over DGrin "Challenges". You want this as
a mandate so you can get ideas from all those already submitted?

http://www.dgrin.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7
Post by Annika1980
Or how about "Curves?"
That was the mandate for my local camera club's competition a couple
of months ago.

Not so easy, picking fresh mandates, is it? Easy to bitch about what
other people choose, but not so easy to come up with one yourself.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
N
2009-09-09 11:34:00 UTC
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Post by tony cooper
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:02:11 -0700 (PDT), Annika1980
Post by Annika1980
Post by Bowser
Post by Annika1980
Photography is all about Light, after all, so why not encourage people
to explore the use of it?
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/light
What would you suggest beyond that?
How about exploring the use of light as it falls on ... say,
Cheerleaders! Or Hummingbirds.
How about "Flash?" Has that one been done?
Currently on another forum they are running one called "Straight out
of the Camera' where the pics must be straight from the camera with no
re-sizing, editing, etc.
That's the mandate for the just-started DGrin "Challenges". You want
this as a mandate so you can get ideas from all those submitted?
(There's no rule against re-sizing. Just no cropping.)
How would you know if an image was cropped or not if you allow resizing?
Easy to crop to a standard sensor ratio.
Annika1980
2009-09-09 16:00:39 UTC
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Not so easy, picking fresh mandates, is it?  Easy to bitch about what
other people choose, but not so easy to come up with one yourself.
I never claimed it was easy. I simply pointed to those other mandates
as examples of what a good mandate should be.

As for getting ideas from looking at others work, I plead "Guilty as
charged."
I love looking at great pics taken by others. Sometimes I even get
good ideas for variations on someone else's pic. I also benefit by
mistakes others make. I think that's how you learn.

Given your recent submissions, maybe you should try it?
tony cooper
2009-09-09 17:27:30 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
Not so easy, picking fresh mandates, is it?  Easy to bitch about what
other people choose, but not so easy to come up with one yourself.
I never claimed it was easy. I simply pointed to those other mandates
as examples of what a good mandate should be.
As for getting ideas from looking at others work, I plead "Guilty as
charged."
I love looking at great pics taken by others. Sometimes I even get
good ideas for variations on someone else's pic. I also benefit by
mistakes others make. I think that's how you learn.
Given your recent submissions, maybe you should try it?
If you have specific critique suggestions, spell 'em out. Otherwise,
it's just you not liking what I'm saying about you so you feel you
have to denigrate what I've posted.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Savageduck
2009-09-09 18:13:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by tony cooper
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:00:39 -0700 (PDT), Annika1980
Post by Annika1980
Not so easy, picking fresh mandates, is it?  Easy to bitch about what
other people choose, but not so easy to come up with one yourself.
I never claimed it was easy. I simply pointed to those other mandates
as examples of what a good mandate should be.
As for getting ideas from looking at others work, I plead "Guilty as
charged."
I love looking at great pics taken by others. Sometimes I even get
good ideas for variations on someone else's pic. I also benefit by
mistakes others make. I think that's how you learn.
Given your recent submissions, maybe you should try it?
If you have specific critique suggestions, spell 'em out. Otherwise,
it's just you not liking what I'm saying about you so you feel you
have to denigrate what I've posted.
Ok. Since we are not going to get a mandate suggestion from Bret due to
his current ridiculous and absurd position on SI, it seems to me an
appropriate mandate would be "Ridiculous & Absurd."

Submit a photo capture of the ridiculous or the absurd.
Now there is a challenge, I don't know if I would be able to get
something together in time.
--
Regards,

Savageduck
tony cooper
2009-09-09 18:47:33 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:13:43 -0700, Savageduck
Post by Savageduck
Post by tony cooper
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:00:39 -0700 (PDT), Annika1980
Post by Annika1980
Not so easy, picking fresh mandates, is it?  Easy to bitch about what
other people choose, but not so easy to come up with one yourself.
I never claimed it was easy. I simply pointed to those other mandates
as examples of what a good mandate should be.
As for getting ideas from looking at others work, I plead "Guilty as
charged."
I love looking at great pics taken by others. Sometimes I even get
good ideas for variations on someone else's pic. I also benefit by
mistakes others make. I think that's how you learn.
Given your recent submissions, maybe you should try it?
If you have specific critique suggestions, spell 'em out. Otherwise,
it's just you not liking what I'm saying about you so you feel you
have to denigrate what I've posted.
Ok. Since we are not going to get a mandate suggestion from Bret due to
his current ridiculous and absurd position on SI, it seems to me an
appropriate mandate would be "Ridiculous & Absurd."
Submit a photo capture of the ridiculous or the absurd.
Now there is a challenge, I don't know if I would be able to get
something together in time.
If it wasn't for the travel constraints, I'd submit a photograph of
Noons and Bret together and go for the "ridiculous" *and* the
"absurd".
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Savageduck
2009-09-09 19:46:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by tony cooper
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:13:43 -0700, Savageduck
Post by Savageduck
Post by tony cooper
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:00:39 -0700 (PDT), Annika1980
Post by Annika1980
Not so easy, picking fresh mandates, is it?  Easy to bitch about what
other people choose, but not so easy to come up with one yourself.
I never claimed it was easy. I simply pointed to those other mandates
as examples of what a good mandate should be.
As for getting ideas from looking at others work, I plead "Guilty as
charged."
I love looking at great pics taken by others. Sometimes I even get
good ideas for variations on someone else's pic. I also benefit by
mistakes others make. I think that's how you learn.
Given your recent submissions, maybe you should try it?
If you have specific critique suggestions, spell 'em out. Otherwise,
it's just you not liking what I'm saying about you so you feel you
have to denigrate what I've posted.
Ok. Since we are not going to get a mandate suggestion from Bret due to
his current ridiculous and absurd position on SI, it seems to me an
appropriate mandate would be "Ridiculous & Absurd."
Submit a photo capture of the ridiculous or the absurd.
Now there is a challenge, I don't know if I would be able to get
something together in time.
If it wasn't for the travel constraints, I'd submit a photograph of
Noons and Bret together and go for the "ridiculous" *and* the
"absurd".
No need to go further. We have a winner!
--
Regards,

Savageduck
Atheist Chaplain
2009-09-09 23:58:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Savageduck
Post by tony cooper
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:00:39 -0700 (PDT), Annika1980
Post by Annika1980
Not so easy, picking fresh mandates, is it? Easy to bitch about what
other people choose, but not so easy to come up with one yourself.
I never claimed it was easy. I simply pointed to those other mandates
as examples of what a good mandate should be.
As for getting ideas from looking at others work, I plead "Guilty as
charged."
I love looking at great pics taken by others. Sometimes I even get
good ideas for variations on someone else's pic. I also benefit by
mistakes others make. I think that's how you learn.
Given your recent submissions, maybe you should try it?
If you have specific critique suggestions, spell 'em out. Otherwise,
it's just you not liking what I'm saying about you so you feel you
have to denigrate what I've posted.
Ok. Since we are not going to get a mandate suggestion from Bret due to
his current ridiculous and absurd position on SI, it seems to me an
appropriate mandate would be "Ridiculous & Absurd."
Submit a photo capture of the ridiculous or the absurd.
Now there is a challenge, I don't know if I would be able to get something
together in time.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
I'll just submit a self portrait :-)
--
[This comment is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church of
Scientology International]
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ." Gandhi
Savageduck
2009-09-10 00:17:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Atheist Chaplain
Post by Savageduck
Post by tony cooper
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:00:39 -0700 (PDT), Annika1980
Post by Annika1980
Not so easy, picking fresh mandates, is it? Easy to bitch about what
other people choose, but not so easy to come up with one yourself.
I never claimed it was easy. I simply pointed to those other mandates
as examples of what a good mandate should be.
As for getting ideas from looking at others work, I plead "Guilty as
charged."
I love looking at great pics taken by others. Sometimes I even get
good ideas for variations on someone else's pic. I also benefit by
mistakes others make. I think that's how you learn.
Given your recent submissions, maybe you should try it?
If you have specific critique suggestions, spell 'em out. Otherwise,
it's just you not liking what I'm saying about you so you feel you
have to denigrate what I've posted.
Ok. Since we are not going to get a mandate suggestion from Bret due to
his current ridiculous and absurd position on SI, it seems to me an
appropriate mandate would be "Ridiculous & Absurd."
Submit a photo capture of the ridiculous or the absurd.
Now there is a challenge, I don't know if I would be able to get
something together in time.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
I'll just submit a self portrait :-)
Now there is an idea which would fit. Two contrasting shots, one from
my original "lean & mean" LE ID shot in uniform, and one of my current
bearded Hemingwayesque visage having forgone the razor since my
February retirement, truly ridiculous & absurd.
--
Regards,

Savageduck
Annika1980
2009-09-09 16:14:27 UTC
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Post by Annika1980
Or how about "Curves?"
That was the mandate for my local camera club's competition a couple
of months ago.
Yeah, I stole it from there. BTW, your entry sucked.
Post by Annika1980
Not so easy, picking fresh mandates, is it? Easy to bitch about what
other people choose, but not so easy to come up with one yourself.
I never said it was easy.
There is not much original in photography. Pretty much everything we
shoot has been done before.
What I am suggesting is that instead of coming up with lame mandates
like "Interesting" or "Punography" it might be better to draw on some
proven ideas.
Looking back over the previous Shoot-In mandates, we've had some
really good ones (that weren't chosen by me). I see we even did one
called "Point of View" which is the same as the "Perspective" one I
mentioned earlier.

Maybe it's time for another "Wild Card" mandate where you choose a
previous mandate and shoot for that?

Also, I don't know why you and Bowser are always looking to me to pick
a suitable mandate. Isn't that the job of the Moderator?
Surely there are some original ideas in this Newsgroup that haven't
been tried yet and would be a suitable mandate.
tony cooper
2009-09-09 17:52:27 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:14:27 -0700 (PDT), Annika1980
Post by Annika1980
Post by tony cooper
Not so easy, picking fresh mandates, is it? Easy to bitch about what
other people choose, but not so easy to come up with one yourself.
I never said it was easy.
There is not much original in photography. Pretty much everything we
shoot has been done before.
What I am suggesting is that instead of coming up with lame mandates
like "Interesting" or "Punography" it might be better to draw on some
proven ideas.
Looking back over the previous Shoot-In mandates, we've had some
really good ones (that weren't chosen by me). I see we even did one
called "Point of View" which is the same as the "Perspective" one I
mentioned earlier.
Maybe it's time for another "Wild Card" mandate where you choose a
previous mandate and shoot for that?
Also, I don't know why you and Bowser are always looking to me to pick
a suitable mandate.
I'm not looking for you to pick a mandate. I'm just tired of seeing
you whine about what others pick. If letting you have your way will
shut you up, then it's fine with me if you pick a mandate.

No mandate is really "lame". If the results are labeled as lame, then
it's because a) the submitters didn't make a suitable effort, or, b)
the viewers are spitting out a mouthful of sour grapes.

All a mandate is is a general guideline. No one gets disqualified for
not strictly adhering to it. A good mandate is loose enough that the
submitter is able to incorporate something that touches on the mandate
but doesn't restrict his/her creativity.

In that respect, "Interesting" was an excellent mandate. It let the
submitter decide what qualifies to meet the mandate. It might be
"lame" for the unimaginative who need specific instructions, though.

Maybe we should eliminate mandates entirely and go to "My favorite
shot of the month". Would that shut you up?

If so, the only requirement would be that it's a fresh shot and not an
old shot. We might make some months color and some months black and
white, but other that, no theme.

In fact, I'll go on record as suggesting this for the next Shoot-In.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
tony cooper
2009-09-11 04:22:01 UTC
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Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
I thought, on the whole, this was quite a good showing.

The photographs of the equipment that Eric Stevens submitted are
excellent photographs, but not really interesting as subject matter.
The kite photograph, though, is quite clever. Here's where a snapshot
works as "interesting", but two very well done photograph don't.

Bob Coe gets two thumbs-up from me, but the bridge turned sidewise
fails to interest me. The two that work are impressive in the
presentation.

Martha Coe has submitted three excellent photographs, but not one of
them meets the "Interesting" mandate in my view. Good - more than
good - photography, but calendar art subject matter.

Bob Sosenko's image doesn't make it for me, but that's because I think
that this kind of post-processing is gimmickry. I wish I liked it;
Bob's obviously done a skillful job. It's just not my thing.

Bob Flint's contributions miss the mark. I don't know what I'm
supposed to see in any of the three that is interesting.

Savageduck's submissions seem to shout out "I love taking pictures of
airplanes!". The T-28 Trojan engine is the only one, though, that
comes across as interesting.

Tim Conway came in with a mixed bag. The airplane engine wouldn't be
a keeper for me, the three domes is an excellent photograph that -
like Martha's photos - is great calendar art but is not particularly
interesting. The dandelion is both laudable as something done well
and as an interesting shot.

Calvin Sambrook nailed it for "Interesting". Ordinary subject matter,
technically nothing to rave about, but a photograph that makes you
know the photographer was going for an interesting scene.

Solomon Peachy is probably my favorite photographer for the Shoot-Ins.
He always comes up with something that makes me think "I wish I would
have done something like this".

Bowser should have held back the dog statues, but the woman and the
dog on the scooter is my hands-down favorite for this month. *That*
is an interesting shot! The other thing...I dunno. I suppose it's
interesting in a way.

Simon's shots are OK close-ups, but fail to be interesting.

Frank-ess, however, has a bug shot that *is* interesting. It's not
just sticking a lens in front of a bug. Frank needs to buy a blower
and clean the dust off his sensor, though...three noticeable dust
bunnies. The fence and flower shot could be much better if cropped
right. Images don't need to be rectangles in standard ratios. Crop
this one right along the grass line and in on both sides. The
artist's lair looks a bit too artificial. Everything looks placed for
effect.

Lunabella's flamingos are almost neck-and-neck with Bowser's
dog/woman/scoot for my favorite of the month. Really interesting.
Two suggestions...clone that white thing out at the lower right, and
put a thin, white border on your dark Shoot-In submissions. With the
PBase black background, the dark photos bleed out visually.

Helen's Miss Victoria certainly qualifies as interesting. I'm a bit
put off by the self-deprecating comments (not my best work) and all
the post-SI hoohaa, but the mandate was "Interesting" and that's what
Helen produced.

I found Alan Browne's photographs to be interesting. Alan is
technically very strong on interiors and sharp images. The two inside
shots miss the "calendar art" designation because they have an
interesting factor in the black lines. Unlike others that have posted
on these shots, I felt the text descriptions were both necessary and
interesting. Without the text, the lines didn't make sense. The
outdoor shot is kinda painful. I look at and know that Alan cropped
to get that shadow diagonal in the lower right and lined up the shot
to get the stripe above the column point, but didn't come up with a
good photograph. It's murky and has distractions.

Paul Furman certainly came up with interesting subject matter, but the
photographs are not pleasing to the eye. The theme was "Interesting",
but the shots still have to be good photographs.

Perhaps Bret has a point in that "Interesting", as a mandate, was too
vague. Several people submitted very good photographs, but they were
not really photographs of interesting things or ordinary things
presented in an interesting way. Eric's kite, Bob Coe's
presentation, Tim's way of photographing the dandelion, and some other
as mentioned above came across as interesting to me. I felt my own
shot of the very realistic-looking manikin was interesting. Some of
the others, even though they were good as photographs, didn't come
across as interesting.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Savageduck
2009-09-11 05:34:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by tony cooper
Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
I thought, on the whole, this was quite a good showing.
<-------------------------------------------------->
Savageduck's submissions seem to shout out "I love taking pictures of
airplanes!". The T-28 Trojan engine is the only one, though, that
comes across as interesting.
Curses! You have me pegged.

I am fascinated by aircraft of all types, sort of bred into me by my
father, as such I tend to gravitate towards prop powered planes,
particularly WWII types.
They had 3 T-28's parked on that row, and I took multiple shots of all
of them, but the one I submitted worked the best for me. You have just
got to love big radial engines.
The big problem was that darn building in the background.

I thought of the P-51 radiator scoop and gear doors as "interesting"
because it was a view of an easily recognizable fighter plane
overlooked in favor of the classic image normally shot.

The A-10 gun? Damn since when weren't big guns interesting?

I guess we will just have to get it right next time.
--
Regards,

Savageduck
tony cooper
2009-09-11 06:19:03 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:34:48 -0700, Savageduck
Post by Savageduck
Post by tony cooper
Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
I thought, on the whole, this was quite a good showing.
<-------------------------------------------------->
Savageduck's submissions seem to shout out "I love taking pictures of
airplanes!". The T-28 Trojan engine is the only one, though, that
comes across as interesting.
Curses! You have me pegged.
I am fascinated by aircraft of all types, sort of bred into me by my
father, as such I tend to gravitate towards prop powered planes,
particularly WWII types.
They had 3 T-28's parked on that row, and I took multiple shots of all
of them, but the one I submitted worked the best for me. You have just
got to love big radial engines.
The big problem was that darn building in the background.
I thought of the P-51 radiator scoop and gear doors as "interesting"
because it was a view of an easily recognizable fighter plane
overlooked in favor of the classic image normally shot.
The A-10 gun? Damn since when weren't big guns interesting?
I guess we will just have to get it right next time.
I would find the airplanes interesting, but I was commenting on the
photographs...the view you selected; the composition.

Airplanes are tough to photograph. It's almost impossible to get the
whole airplane in the frame without some sort of busy background.
I've seen very few airplane photographs that are interesting as
photographs. Most are interesting only in the subject matter, and
that to people who like to look at photographs of airplanes.

I have one - and only one - airplane photograph in my file. I had to
use "vehicles" as the keyword in Lightroom to find it since there's no
need for "airplane" as a keyword.
Loading Image...

The Sunshine Express is on the ground at Camp Blanding (near
Jacksonville Florida)

Someday I'll stop at the Florida Air Museum at Sun'n Fun (Lakeland,
Florida) and see if I can find a way to take an interesting airplane
photograph.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Savageduck
2009-09-11 06:56:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by tony cooper
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:34:48 -0700, Savageduck
Post by Savageduck
Post by tony cooper
Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
I thought, on the whole, this was quite a good showing.
<-------------------------------------------------->
Savageduck's submissions seem to shout out "I love taking pictures of
airplanes!". The T-28 Trojan engine is the only one, though, that
comes across as interesting.
Curses! You have me pegged.
I am fascinated by aircraft of all types, sort of bred into me by my
father, as such I tend to gravitate towards prop powered planes,
particularly WWII types.
They had 3 T-28's parked on that row, and I took multiple shots of all
of them, but the one I submitted worked the best for me. You have just
got to love big radial engines.
The big problem was that darn building in the background.
I thought of the P-51 radiator scoop and gear doors as "interesting"
because it was a view of an easily recognizable fighter plane
overlooked in favor of the classic image normally shot.
The A-10 gun? Damn since when weren't big guns interesting?
I guess we will just have to get it right next time.
I would find the airplanes interesting, but I was commenting on the
photographs...the view you selected; the composition.
Airplanes are tough to photograph. It's almost impossible to get the
whole airplane in the frame without some sort of busy background.
I've seen very few airplane photographs that are interesting as
photographs. Most are interesting only in the subject matter, and
that to people who like to look at photographs of airplanes.
I have one - and only one - airplane photograph in my file. I had to
use "vehicles" as the keyword in Lightroom to find it since there's no
need for "airplane" as a keyword.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/cooper213/sunshine.jpg
Nice old C-47.
Post by tony cooper
The Sunshine Express is on the ground at Camp Blanding (near
Jacksonville Florida)
Someday I'll stop at the Florida Air Museum at Sun'n Fun (Lakeland,
Florida) and see if I can find a way to take an interesting airplane
photograph.
Give it a try, you might be surprised.
Actually they can be quite challenging to shoot.
Here are a few more from the Salinas Air Show which was the source of
my SI shots.
...and some of these could be deemed interesting.

This is the oldest flying Stinson a 1937 vintage;
Loading Image...
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The P-51 which was the model for the gear door shot:
Loading Image...

A different T-28:
Loading Image...

An interesting way to spend a Saturday:
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A YAK-18PS:
Loading Image...
--
Regards,

Savageduck
Eric Stevens
2009-09-11 10:55:39 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:56:13 -0700, Savageduck
Post by Savageduck
Post by tony cooper
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:34:48 -0700, Savageduck
Post by Savageduck
Post by tony cooper
Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
I thought, on the whole, this was quite a good showing.
<-------------------------------------------------->
Savageduck's submissions seem to shout out "I love taking pictures of
airplanes!". The T-28 Trojan engine is the only one, though, that
comes across as interesting.
Curses! You have me pegged.
I am fascinated by aircraft of all types, sort of bred into me by my
father, as such I tend to gravitate towards prop powered planes,
particularly WWII types.
They had 3 T-28's parked on that row, and I took multiple shots of all
of them, but the one I submitted worked the best for me. You have just
got to love big radial engines.
The big problem was that darn building in the background.
I thought of the P-51 radiator scoop and gear doors as "interesting"
because it was a view of an easily recognizable fighter plane
overlooked in favor of the classic image normally shot.
The A-10 gun? Damn since when weren't big guns interesting?
I guess we will just have to get it right next time.
I would find the airplanes interesting, but I was commenting on the
photographs...the view you selected; the composition.
Airplanes are tough to photograph. It's almost impossible to get the
whole airplane in the frame without some sort of busy background.
I've seen very few airplane photographs that are interesting as
photographs. Most are interesting only in the subject matter, and
that to people who like to look at photographs of airplanes.
I have one - and only one - airplane photograph in my file. I had to
use "vehicles" as the keyword in Lightroom to find it since there's no
need for "airplane" as a keyword.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/cooper213/sunshine.jpg
Nice old C-47.
Post by tony cooper
The Sunshine Express is on the ground at Camp Blanding (near
Jacksonville Florida)
Someday I'll stop at the Florida Air Museum at Sun'n Fun (Lakeland,
Florida) and see if I can find a way to take an interesting airplane
photograph.
Give it a try, you might be surprised.
Actually they can be quite challenging to shoot.
Here are a few more from the Salinas Air Show which was the source of
my SI shots.
...and some of these could be deemed interesting.
This is the oldest flying Stinson a 1937 vintage;
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Stinson-SR7B%40Salinas2009_1691w.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Stinson-SR7B%40Salinas2009_1694w.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/P51D%40Salinas2009_2159w.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/T-28_1683w.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Soucy%26Stokes%40Salinas2009_2237w.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/YAK-18PS%40Salinas2009_1806w.jpg
Here is one whose progress I am following.
http://www.warbirdrestoration.co.nz/mossie_january08.html

Look at the photographs.

To me, THAT'S INTERESTING. :-)



Eric Stevens
Savageduck
2009-09-11 13:34:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eric Stevens
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:56:13 -0700, Savageduck
Post by Savageduck
Post by tony cooper
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:34:48 -0700, Savageduck
Post by Savageduck
Post by tony cooper
Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
I thought, on the whole, this was quite a good showing.
<-------------------------------------------------->
Savageduck's submissions seem to shout out "I love taking pictures of
airplanes!". The T-28 Trojan engine is the only one, though, that
comes across as interesting.
Curses! You have me pegged.
I am fascinated by aircraft of all types, sort of bred into me by my
father, as such I tend to gravitate towards prop powered planes,
particularly WWII types.
They had 3 T-28's parked on that row, and I took multiple shots of all
of them, but the one I submitted worked the best for me. You have just
got to love big radial engines.
The big problem was that darn building in the background.
I thought of the P-51 radiator scoop and gear doors as "interesting"
because it was a view of an easily recognizable fighter plane
overlooked in favor of the classic image normally shot.
The A-10 gun? Damn since when weren't big guns interesting?
I guess we will just have to get it right next time.
I would find the airplanes interesting, but I was commenting on the
photographs...the view you selected; the composition.
Airplanes are tough to photograph. It's almost impossible to get the
whole airplane in the frame without some sort of busy background.
I've seen very few airplane photographs that are interesting as
photographs. Most are interesting only in the subject matter, and
that to people who like to look at photographs of airplanes.
I have one - and only one - airplane photograph in my file. I had to
use "vehicles" as the keyword in Lightroom to find it since there's no
need for "airplane" as a keyword.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/cooper213/sunshine.jpg
Nice old C-47.
Post by tony cooper
The Sunshine Express is on the ground at Camp Blanding (near
Jacksonville Florida)
Someday I'll stop at the Florida Air Museum at Sun'n Fun (Lakeland,
Florida) and see if I can find a way to take an interesting airplane
photograph.
Give it a try, you might be surprised.
Actually they can be quite challenging to shoot.
Here are a few more from the Salinas Air Show which was the source of
my SI shots.
...and some of these could be deemed interesting.
This is the oldest flying Stinson a 1937 vintage;
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Stinson-SR7B%40Salinas2009_1691w.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Stinson-SR7B%40Salinas2009_1694w.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/P51D%40Salinas2009_2159w.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/T-28_1683w.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Soucy%26Stokes%40Salinas2009_2237w.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/YAK-18PS%40Salinas2009_1806w.jpg
Here is one whose progress I am following.
http://www.warbirdrestoration.co.nz/mossie_january08.html
Look at the photographs.
To me, THAT'S INTERESTING. :-)
Eric Stevens
Now you are talking!
That is truly an interesting and valuable project and I will join you
in following it.
The restoration of these rare Warbirds wherever they are done is
dedicated work.
Mosquitos, P-38's, P-47's, Spitfires, Bf-109's, etc are among the
rareist of the rare, and I am thankful these projects exist.

Thanks for the link.
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Savageduck
Eric Stevens
2009-09-11 21:35:53 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:34:27 -0700, Savageduck
<savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

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Post by Savageduck
Post by Eric Stevens
Here is one whose progress I am following.
http://www.warbirdrestoration.co.nz/mossie_january08.html
Look at the photographs.
To me, THAT'S INTERESTING. :-)
Eric Stevens
Now you are talking!
That is truly an interesting and valuable project and I will join you
in following it.
The restoration of these rare Warbirds wherever they are done is
dedicated work.
Mosquitos, P-38's, P-47's, Spitfires, Bf-109's, etc are among the
rareist of the rare, and I am thankful these projects exist.
Thanks for the link.
My point was (and is) that there is more than one way for a photograph
to be interesting. I'm sure Helen (no disrespect intended) would find
many of these photographs quite boring but you and I find them
intensely interesting. Then there are other people who would not find
them interesting until they were told a little about what they were
looking at.

'Interesting' is in the mind of the beholder.



Eric Stevens
Bob Larter
2009-09-15 07:01:23 UTC
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Post by Eric Stevens
Here is one whose progress I am following.
http://www.warbirdrestoration.co.nz/mossie_january08.html
Look at the photographs.
To me, THAT'S INTERESTING. :-)
You've got to give them props (sorry!) for taking on such a big project.
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Eric Stevens
2009-09-15 09:17:35 UTC
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Post by Bob Larter
Post by Eric Stevens
Here is one whose progress I am following.
http://www.warbirdrestoration.co.nz/mossie_january08.html
Look at the photographs.
To me, THAT'S INTERESTING. :-)
You've got to give them props (sorry!) for taking on such a big project.
Virtually all the woodwork has been built from new. So too has been
much of the metal work.

The work is being done for a US owner and I have to say that I am
concerned at the fact that the last reports were dated 31 Mar 2008. Is
this restoration another casualty of the stock-market crash?

In any case, here is another one which you might find worth following:
http://www.lightning422supporters.co.uk/



Eric Stevens
Bob Larter
2009-09-16 15:19:46 UTC
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Post by Eric Stevens
Post by Bob Larter
Post by Eric Stevens
Here is one whose progress I am following.
http://www.warbirdrestoration.co.nz/mossie_january08.html
Look at the photographs.
To me, THAT'S INTERESTING. :-)
You've got to give them props (sorry!) for taking on such a big project.
Virtually all the woodwork has been built from new. So too has been
much of the metal work.
The work is being done for a US owner and I have to say that I am
concerned at the fact that the last reports were dated 31 Mar 2008. Is
this restoration another casualty of the stock-market crash?
http://www.lightning422supporters.co.uk/
Thanks!
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Eric Stevens
2009-09-11 10:44:08 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:22:01 -0400, tony cooper
Post by tony cooper
Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
I thought, on the whole, this was quite a good showing.
The photographs of the equipment that Eric Stevens submitted are
excellent photographs, but not really interesting as subject matter.
The kite photograph, though, is quite clever. Here's where a snapshot
works as "interesting", but two very well done photograph don't.
Left brain or right brain? Is it the subject which is interesting or
the photograph?

I thought the example picture of the ancient V8 engine in an equally
ancient aeroplane was interesting but I would like to have known a lot
more about them (was it a Bleriot?). The curiousity stimulated by my
interest was not satisfied. Is this intersting as you, Tony Cooper,
understands it?

I thought the beam engine was interesting (please don't confuse this
with me saying that photographs of the beam engine were necessarily
interesting) and thats why I explained what they were about. Without
the explanation the viewer would have been left almost totally puzzled
as to what it was they were looking at.

Funnily enough, I didn't think the kite photograph was at all clever.
That's why I felt the need to explain why I took it (and why I didn't
take it) and what it was all about.

This is my first experience in 50 years of submitting photographs for
review by others (other than family, lawyers and judges) and I have
found the whole experience very interesting. :-)

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Post by tony cooper
Perhaps Bret has a point in that "Interesting", as a mandate, was too
vague. Several people submitted very good photographs, but they were
not really photographs of interesting things or ordinary things
presented in an interesting way. Eric's kite, Bob Coe's
presentation, Tim's way of photographing the dandelion, and some other
as mentioned above came across as interesting to me. I felt my own
shot of the very realistic-looking manikin was interesting. Some of
the others, even though they were good as photographs, didn't come
across as interesting.
Its all in the mind you know. :-)



Eric Stevens
Savageduck
2009-09-11 13:21:09 UTC
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Post by Eric Stevens
Its all in the mind you know. :-)
Ah! Ha! A Milliganist!
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Savageduck
tony cooper
2009-09-11 14:33:24 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:44:08 +1200, Eric Stevens
Post by Eric Stevens
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:22:01 -0400, tony cooper
Post by tony cooper
Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
I thought, on the whole, this was quite a good showing.
The photographs of the equipment that Eric Stevens submitted are
excellent photographs, but not really interesting as subject matter.
The kite photograph, though, is quite clever. Here's where a snapshot
works as "interesting", but two very well done photograph don't.
Left brain or right brain? Is it the subject which is interesting or
the photograph?
I thought the example picture of the ancient V8 engine in an equally
ancient aeroplane was interesting but I would like to have known a lot
more about them (was it a Bleriot?). The curiousity stimulated by my
interest was not satisfied. Is this intersting as you, Tony Cooper,
understands it?
I thought the beam engine was interesting (please don't confuse this
with me saying that photographs of the beam engine were necessarily
interesting) and thats why I explained what they were about. Without
the explanation the viewer would have been left almost totally puzzled
as to what it was they were looking at.
Funnily enough, I didn't think the kite photograph was at all clever.
That's why I felt the need to explain why I took it (and why I didn't
take it) and what it was all about.
I'm one of those people who visit specialty museums, look at all the
exhibits, and read the plaques that explain what's on exhibit. I
recently spent hours in the Edison & Ford museum - located in Edison's
winter home in Ft Myers, Florida - looking at the stuff as shown here:
http://www.efwefla.org/museum.asp Some of those photos are much like
yours.

That beam engine would be interesting to me to look at. The photo,
though, wasn't interesting. I recognize it as being a superior
photograph and one worthy of being in a brochure on a web site, but it
isn't a photograph that is - of itself - an eye-grabber.

The kite photo, though, is. I looked at it and thought "Hey! Cool!".
That makes it, in my opinion, a success at "Interesting".
Post by Eric Stevens
This is my first experience in 50 years of submitting photographs for
review by others (other than family, lawyers and judges) and I have
found the whole experience very interesting. :-)
Rough, innit? Personally, I was devastated when Annika/Bret said my
photos weren't any good. (Is there a emoticon for "sarcastic"?)

I hope that what you are getting out of this first-time experience is
an understanding that what you are reading are personal reactions and
comments to the specific piece(s) you submitted. No matter how
written, they are not comments about you.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Eric Stevens
2009-09-11 21:41:12 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:33:24 -0400, tony cooper
<***@earthlink.net> wrote:

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Post by tony cooper
That beam engine would be interesting to me to look at. The photo,
though, wasn't interesting. I recognize it as being a superior
photograph and one worthy of being in a brochure on a web site, but it
isn't a photograph that is - of itself - an eye-grabber.
I agree. It was the subject that was interesting.
Post by tony cooper
The kite photo, though, is. I looked at it and thought "Hey! Cool!".
That makes it, in my opinion, a success at "Interesting".
That's why I submitted it. But I thought that what it said about the
camera and lens was also interesting.



Eric Stevens
unknown
2009-09-11 13:10:36 UTC
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Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
The best are Bob Sosenko, CD Cooper (round) and bowser-3

BUT ... why are almost every one of them so infernally dark
as to be almost invisible on the screen?

Doug McDonald
John McWilliams
2009-09-11 14:10:36 UTC
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Post by unknown
Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
The best are Bob Sosenko, CD Cooper (round) and bowser-3
BUT ... why are almost every one of them so infernally dark
as to be almost invisible on the screen?
Any chance at all it's your screen?????
unknown
2009-09-11 15:46:33 UTC
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Post by John McWilliams
Post by unknown
Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
The best are Bob Sosenko, CD Cooper (round) and bowser-3
BUT ... why are almost every one of them so infernally dark
as to be almost invisible on the screen?
Any chance at all it's your screen?????
I don't think so. Pictures on most web sites are just fine.
Pictures from a friend who uses a P&S camera in full
auto ("green square") mode are just fine. Pictures from
my camera taken in program mode and saved as raw and developed in Canon's DPP
with default parameters are OK (unless pathological subjects,
of course).

Videos on Youtube are usually too dark.

Doug McDonald
BobS
2009-09-12 04:59:01 UTC
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Post by unknown
The best are Bob Sosenko, CD Cooper (round) and bowser-3
BUT ... why are almost every one of them so infernally dark
as to be almost invisible on the screen?
Doug McDonald
Ahhhh,

An HDR connoisseur....;-)

Bob S.
Stuffed Crust
2009-09-11 16:02:14 UTC
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Post by tony cooper
Solomon Peachy is probably my favorite photographer for the Shoot-Ins.
He always comes up with something that makes me think "I wish I would
have done something like this".
...Wow. Thank you..

"The frightening and most difficult thing about being what somebody
calls a creative person is that you have absolutely no idea where any
of your thoughts come from really and especially you don’t have any
idea about where they’re going to come from tomorrow."
-— Hal Riney

"I never have taken a picture I've intended. They're always better or
worse."
-- Diane Arbus

(or in my case, usually MUCH worse...)

I usually have a very hard time shooting to a particular theme; it's
just not how I generally think or see the world. This mandate however
matches up well with my "technique" which is to lug a camera everywhere
and well, see what interests me and/or catches my eye.

- Solomon
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Solomon Peachy pizza at shaftnet dot org
Melbourne, FL ^^ (mail/jabber/gtalk) ^^
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
Lunabella
2009-09-11 17:20:36 UTC
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Post by Stuffed Crust
Post by tony cooper
Solomon Peachy is probably my favorite photographer for the Shoot-Ins.
He always comes up with something that makes me think "I wish I would
have done something like this".
...Wow. Thank you..
"The frightening and most difficult thing about being what somebody
calls a creative person is that you have absolutely no idea where any
of your thoughts come from really and especially you don’t have any
idea about where they’re going to come from tomorrow."
-— Hal Riney
"I never have taken a picture I've intended. They're always better or
worse."
-- Diane Arbus
(or in my case, usually MUCH worse...)
I usually have a very hard time shooting to a particular theme; it's
just not how I generally think or see the world. This mandate however
matches up well with my "technique" which is to lug a camera everywhere
and well, see what interests me and/or catches my eye.
I like to do this in *addition* to my more structured shooting.
Bob Larter
2009-09-15 06:55:00 UTC
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Post by Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/interesting
Why didn't you submit?
No inspiration from the mandate. OTOH, your question inspired me to come
up with some mandate ideas that I'd find more interesting:

Sad
Joy
Tiny
Shadows
Curves
Angles
Precious
Texture
High contrast
Colourful
Machine
Soft
Wide Open (very shallow DoF)
Movement
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